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		<title>Comment on The Bhutan Hour or Two Continued by glue</title>
		<link>http://groupeblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/the-bhutan-hour-or-two-continued/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>glue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alain de Botton has made a career out of writing essays on topics related to happiness:  architecture, love, travel, Proust...   Here is a bit from an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bookslut.com/features/2006_11_010212.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;interview.&lt;/a&gt;
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Do you still believe in the Stendhal quote, “Beauty is the promise of happiness”?

I think it’s a very handy way of getting to the core of something. When people go “Oh, that chair is beautiful,” or “That table is beautiful,” really what we are saying is, you imagine being happy around that chair. It’s a nicely psychological -- and in a way -- literary way of looking at the visual. It is making up little stories about it. I can imagine a happy little story. It’s what happens with people as well, when you see someone who looks attractive, very often you think, “This is someone I could be happy with.” You invent a short little story with what life could be like with that person. The same thing happens with visual objects: chairs, paintings, buildings…
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This notion of the role &quot;fantasy&quot; (or imagination) plays in creating an attitude capable of happiness is insightful and relevant to our project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alain de Botton has made a career out of writing essays on topics related to happiness:  architecture, love, travel, Proust&#8230;   Here is a bit from an <a href="http://www.bookslut.com/features/2006_11_010212.php" rel="nofollow">interview.</a><br />
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Do you still believe in the Stendhal quote, “Beauty is the promise of happiness”?</p>
<p>I think it’s a very handy way of getting to the core of something. When people go “Oh, that chair is beautiful,” or “That table is beautiful,” really what we are saying is, you imagine being happy around that chair. It’s a nicely psychological &#8212; and in a way &#8212; literary way of looking at the visual. It is making up little stories about it. I can imagine a happy little story. It’s what happens with people as well, when you see someone who looks attractive, very often you think, “This is someone I could be happy with.” You invent a short little story with what life could be like with that person. The same thing happens with visual objects: chairs, paintings, buildings…<br />
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This notion of the role &#8220;fantasy&#8221; (or imagination) plays in creating an attitude capable of happiness is insightful and relevant to our project.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Water as Figure by glue</title>
		<link>http://groupeblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/water-as-figure/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>glue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 01:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne Carson, &quot;Kinds of Water,&quot; puts the figure into words (excerpt).

&quot;The small hotel of Buergete is made of water. Outside, rain streams all night. Roofs pour, the gutters float with frogs and snails. You would not see me - I lie in the dark listening, swirling. Walls of the hotel are filled with water. Plumbing booms and sluices. A water clock, embedded in the heart of the building, measures out our hours in huge drops. Wheels and gears turn in the walls, the roaring of lovers washes over the ceiling, the staircase is an aqueduct of cries. From below I can hear a man dreaming. A deep ravine goes down to the sea, he calls out, rushes over the edge. The mechanisms that keep us from drowning are so fragile.&quot;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poet.html?id=1114&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Anne Carson&lt;/a&gt;

Shall we clarify the downpour?  &quot;Water&quot; as dilemma, as the motif of our consultation, may be configured anew from this as-pect (as figure, distinct from both fact and value).

glue</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne Carson, &#8220;Kinds of Water,&#8221; puts the figure into words (excerpt).</p>
<p>&#8220;The small hotel of Buergete is made of water. Outside, rain streams all night. Roofs pour, the gutters float with frogs and snails. You would not see me &#8211; I lie in the dark listening, swirling. Walls of the hotel are filled with water. Plumbing booms and sluices. A water clock, embedded in the heart of the building, measures out our hours in huge drops. Wheels and gears turn in the walls, the roaring of lovers washes over the ceiling, the staircase is an aqueduct of cries. From below I can hear a man dreaming. A deep ravine goes down to the sea, he calls out, rushes over the edge. The mechanisms that keep us from drowning are so fragile.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poet.html?id=1114" rel="nofollow">Anne Carson</a></p>
<p>Shall we clarify the downpour?  &#8220;Water&#8221; as dilemma, as the motif of our consultation, may be configured anew from this as-pect (as figure, distinct from both fact and value).</p>
<p>glue</p>
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		<title>Comment on Participation by remlu</title>
		<link>http://groupeblog.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/participation/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>remlu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brief report on our meeting today (April 14):
 a most satisfying outcome.  The conversation  produced some new ideas about how the collaboration could evolve.  I will list a few that remain in active memory (not looking at my notes at the moment).

1.  All parties agree to be active participants in directing which way or what we pursue in this bootstrapping process.

2.  Some quality f2f meetings a priority, such as the &quot;Bhutan hour&quot; (a nation with constitutional protections for happiness).  
Such a meeting will be scheduled for early-ish May.

3.  Diversification of inputs, not confined to Internet and digital, such as drawings, snapshots, (recipes?).  Such presentations may be taped and streamed to the Web. (Waa that an iTouch Mike was wielding?)

4.  Confirmation of local focus (Xanadu composite).  A proposal to document a favorite local site on the blog.

5.  Aesthetic/pleasure as a guiding feeling directing the nature of the collaboration.  Justified by the value of &quot;wellness,&quot; &quot;flourishing,&quot; and the like as ethical and political goals motivating sustainability.  Also justified by apparatus theory that predicts entertainment as the dominant educational institution in electracy.

6.  Alright already we&#039;ll visit the bloomin&#039; blog once a week or so.

7.  The creation of an electrate mode of consultation is not primarily, or in the first instance, a problem of technology, even if ultimately it may only be realized within the capacities of new media (databases, social networking and the like).

8.  Electrate metaphysics is holistic.  No aspect of the researchers&#039; experience is irrelevant to the collaboration.

9.  Some documentation of our process, including all of its zigs and zags, is important to achieving world peace in our time.

These come to mind.  Perhaps more items to list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brief report on our meeting today (April 14):<br />
 a most satisfying outcome.  The conversation  produced some new ideas about how the collaboration could evolve.  I will list a few that remain in active memory (not looking at my notes at the moment).</p>
<p>1.  All parties agree to be active participants in directing which way or what we pursue in this bootstrapping process.</p>
<p>2.  Some quality f2f meetings a priority, such as the &#8220;Bhutan hour&#8221; (a nation with constitutional protections for happiness).<br />
Such a meeting will be scheduled for early-ish May.</p>
<p>3.  Diversification of inputs, not confined to Internet and digital, such as drawings, snapshots, (recipes?).  Such presentations may be taped and streamed to the Web. (Waa that an iTouch Mike was wielding?)</p>
<p>4.  Confirmation of local focus (Xanadu composite).  A proposal to document a favorite local site on the blog.</p>
<p>5.  Aesthetic/pleasure as a guiding feeling directing the nature of the collaboration.  Justified by the value of &#8220;wellness,&#8221; &#8220;flourishing,&#8221; and the like as ethical and political goals motivating sustainability.  Also justified by apparatus theory that predicts entertainment as the dominant educational institution in electracy.</p>
<p>6.  Alright already we&#8217;ll visit the bloomin&#8217; blog once a week or so.</p>
<p>7.  The creation of an electrate mode of consultation is not primarily, or in the first instance, a problem of technology, even if ultimately it may only be realized within the capacities of new media (databases, social networking and the like).</p>
<p>8.  Electrate metaphysics is holistic.  No aspect of the researchers&#8217; experience is irrelevant to the collaboration.</p>
<p>9.  Some documentation of our process, including all of its zigs and zags, is important to achieving world peace in our time.</p>
<p>These come to mind.  Perhaps more items to list.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Consilience and Conduction by remlu</title>
		<link>http://groupeblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/19/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>remlu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for introducing &quot;fact,&quot; whose trailing sibling is &quot;value.&quot;  The classic fact/value split, while refuted in post-positivist terms, remains valid nonetheless as a way to understand the impasses structuring most policy debates.  One of the goals of a new consultancy (the emerAgency) is to open a third position from which to negotiate the aporias of fact-value.  More on this rhetorical marvel soon.

glue</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for introducing &#8220;fact,&#8221; whose trailing sibling is &#8220;value.&#8221;  The classic fact/value split, while refuted in post-positivist terms, remains valid nonetheless as a way to understand the impasses structuring most policy debates.  One of the goals of a new consultancy (the emerAgency) is to open a third position from which to negotiate the aporias of fact-value.  More on this rhetorical marvel soon.</p>
<p>glue</p>
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		<title>Comment on Consilience and Conduction by mconlon</title>
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		<dc:creator>mconlon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, so I&#039;m the token statistician, but perhaps I can represent science or  empiricism.  Facts are important, it seems, to make progress in understanding the natural world, e.g. water.  Progress meaning feeding people, or living well, or fulfillment of some kind.

glue, remlu, ulmer has water as &quot;number&quot; -- I&#039;d prefer water as &lt;b&gt;fact&lt;/b&gt;.  Facts about water.  Leads to expressing relationships between facts about water.  Leads to inductionregarding facts togeneral principles about water.  Etc.

My first post.  New to WordPress.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, so I&#8217;m the token statistician, but perhaps I can represent science or  empiricism.  Facts are important, it seems, to make progress in understanding the natural world, e.g. water.  Progress meaning feeding people, or living well, or fulfillment of some kind.</p>
<p>glue, remlu, ulmer has water as &#8220;number&#8221; &#8212; I&#8217;d prefer water as <b>fact</b>.  Facts about water.  Leads to expressing relationships between facts about water.  Leads to inductionregarding facts togeneral principles about water.  Etc.</p>
<p>My first post.  New to WordPress.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kubla Khan by glue</title>
		<link>http://groupeblog.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/kubla-khan/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>glue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The four sites include Shangdu, &quot;which lay in what is now the Zhenglan Banner of the Autonomous Region of Inner Mongolia, in northeast China:  capital city of Kubla Khan.  Also the holy caves of ice in Kashmir, near Pahalgam, at the northern end of the Lidder valley.  Mount Abora of course, associated with  the  Abyssinian maid, located in east central Africa.  The holy site in question is Gishen Mariam, in the  Abgasel range, forty miles north  of Dessie (Ethiopia).  And then Alachua County, Florida.  I discuss this siting of Xanadu in Internet Invention (p. 96 ff).  Two sources are important: Caroline Alexander, The Way to Xanadu:  Journeys to a Legendary Realm (1993)--my source for the details above.  Also the classic John Livingston Lowes, The Road to Xanadu:  A Study in the  Ways of the Imagination (1955).  Lowes describes Coleridge&#039;s poetic imagination as working with &quot;hooks and eyes&quot; to make connections among dispersed bits of memory, discourse, history.  These are the hooks and eyes of felt. Lowes traces various lines of Coleridge&#039;s poem back to the sources in his readings, including Bartram&#039;s Travels, his source for the references to Alachua County&#039;s underground rivers, sink holes, and other karst features.   Alexander actually goes to each of the four sites referenced in the poem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The four sites include Shangdu, &#8220;which lay in what is now the Zhenglan Banner of the Autonomous Region of Inner Mongolia, in northeast China:  capital city of Kubla Khan.  Also the holy caves of ice in Kashmir, near Pahalgam, at the northern end of the Lidder valley.  Mount Abora of course, associated with  the  Abyssinian maid, located in east central Africa.  The holy site in question is Gishen Mariam, in the  Abgasel range, forty miles north  of Dessie (Ethiopia).  And then Alachua County, Florida.  I discuss this siting of Xanadu in Internet Invention (p. 96 ff).  Two sources are important: Caroline Alexander, The Way to Xanadu:  Journeys to a Legendary Realm (1993)&#8211;my source for the details above.  Also the classic John Livingston Lowes, The Road to Xanadu:  A Study in the  Ways of the Imagination (1955).  Lowes describes Coleridge&#8217;s poetic imagination as working with &#8220;hooks and eyes&#8221; to make connections among dispersed bits of memory, discourse, history.  These are the hooks and eyes of felt. Lowes traces various lines of Coleridge&#8217;s poem back to the sources in his readings, including Bartram&#8217;s Travels, his source for the references to Alachua County&#8217;s underground rivers, sink holes, and other karst features.   Alexander actually goes to each of the four sites referenced in the poem.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Database Driven Virtual Reality by johncraigfreeman</title>
		<link>http://groupeblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/13/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>johncraigfreeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 04:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you create a word press account? http://wordpress.com/

Wow this is very exciting stuff. I will hold off on a more extended response until we get this posted, but I am very exited by the prospects of working together. Have you looked at the http://metaverse.sourceforge.net/? and

&quot;New Media Consortium (NMC) announced a $250,000 two-year collaboration with Sun Microsystems to launch the Open Virtual Worlds Project, an effort that is aimed at making it even easier to learn, work, and exchange ideas in virtual space. The project will develop a range of standards-based, portable open-source educational spaces, content, and objects, and use them to extend Sun Microsystems’s open source Project Darkstar and Project Wonderland virtual world platforms.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you create a word press account? <a href="http://wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p>Wow this is very exciting stuff. I will hold off on a more extended response until we get this posted, but I am very exited by the prospects of working together. Have you looked at the <a href="http://metaverse.sourceforge.net/?" rel="nofollow">http://metaverse.sourceforge.net/?</a> and</p>
<p>&#8220;New Media Consortium (NMC) announced a $250,000 two-year collaboration with Sun Microsystems to launch the Open Virtual Worlds Project, an effort that is aimed at making it even easier to learn, work, and exchange ideas in virtual space. The project will develop a range of standards-based, portable open-source educational spaces, content, and objects, and use them to extend Sun Microsystems’s open source Project Darkstar and Project Wonderland virtual world platforms.?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome Group E by johncraigfreeman</title>
		<link>http://groupeblog.wordpress.com/2008/02/23/hello-world/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>johncraigfreeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay the link will work now. Damned WordPress, included the period at the end of the sentence in the link. Who&#039;s idea was it to use word press?

We do indeed have mutual interest using databases to drive 3D/VR sites. Lets start  by moving the discussion up top to blog entries. This might better facilitate the others getting involved. Tell me a bit about your background and interest in data VR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay the link will work now. Damned WordPress, included the period at the end of the sentence in the link. Who&#8217;s idea was it to use word press?</p>
<p>We do indeed have mutual interest using databases to drive 3D/VR sites. Lets start  by moving the discussion up top to blog entries. This might better facilitate the others getting involved. Tell me a bit about your background and interest in data VR.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome Group E by hwbeck11</title>
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		<dc:creator>hwbeck11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warning, I have reservations with just about everything.  Man, ya gotta try to make the world a better place!

I hope we can get the rest of the group involved too, bit it occurs to me that you and I havn&#039;t really had a good chat either.  Where can we begin?  I think we have a mutual interest in somehow using databases to drive 3D/VR sites? And maybe tools?

That link to the neh grant guidelines isn&#039;t working, can you post the correct one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warning, I have reservations with just about everything.  Man, ya gotta try to make the world a better place!</p>
<p>I hope we can get the rest of the group involved too, bit it occurs to me that you and I havn&#8217;t really had a good chat either.  Where can we begin?  I think we have a mutual interest in somehow using databases to drive 3D/VR sites? And maybe tools?</p>
<p>That link to the neh grant guidelines isn&#8217;t working, can you post the correct one?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome Group E by johncraigfreeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>johncraigfreeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Howard, No problem. Let&#039;s start by encouraging the rest of the group to sign-up as authors and post a little something to get started. Nothing elaborate. Just get them to stand up and be counted, see if we can get the groupeblog tag working for us with flickr and de.licio.us. Do you have similar reservations with them? I know I do, but again it is a place to start, not the thing itself. From my perspective, if I don&#039;t press the use of the internet tools, I don&#039;t exist as a group member.  I appreciate the initiative.

I recommend the NEH Digital Start Up program to get the funding thing under way. http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/digitalhumanitiesstartup.html  
Best</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Howard, No problem. Let&#8217;s start by encouraging the rest of the group to sign-up as authors and post a little something to get started. Nothing elaborate. Just get them to stand up and be counted, see if we can get the groupeblog tag working for us with flickr and de.licio.us. Do you have similar reservations with them? I know I do, but again it is a place to start, not the thing itself. From my perspective, if I don&#8217;t press the use of the internet tools, I don&#8217;t exist as a group member.  I appreciate the initiative.</p>
<p>I recommend the NEH Digital Start Up program to get the funding thing under way. <a href="http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/digitalhumanitiesstartup.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/digitalhumanitiesstartup.html</a><br />
Best</p>
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